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Quarterlife Café
Kim Fassler is one of the youngest reporters in the newsroom and has a fresh perspective on issues that matter to 20-somethings, whether it's living with parents, landing a job, making a difference or running screaming from the "real world."
Reach Kim at fassler@honoluluadvertiser.com.
Posted on: March 26, 2008 at 1:34:21 am
Drink smart, start early?

I sometimes wonder if my perspective on drinking might be different had my parents allowed me to drink when I was in high school.

As it was, my parents did not encourage drinking before I was 21. I believe that the bulk of their reasoning was: I should not drink before I was legally allowed to do so, and that was that.

But parents -- and their concerns -- drop almost completely out of the picture when many 18-year-olds go to college. On many campuses, alcohol is readily available to students of all ages and becomes a staple of the social scene. If students are surrounded by such a climate for three years before most reach the legal drinking age ... well, peer pressure can do in even the most conscientious, law-abiding kid.

Flash-forward to the 21st birthday party. For many people I know, this involved getting absolutely plastered and passing out somewhere, hopefully near someone who was responsible -- or at least sober -- enough to put you in your own bed and make sure you didn't expire overnight.

It's tough to debate the merits of allowing students to drink alcohol before they reach 21, or before they are unleashed unwittingly upon Animal House-like frat parties every weekend. The big problem is: underage drinking is just that -- it's against the law.

Still, the growing problem of binge drinking on college campuses has led some to question if there might be a way to stop students from becoming absorbed in the "black-out drunk" culture before they even arrive on the scene, that is, years before they turn 21.

New York Times wine blogger Eric Asimov asks today in his blog, "The Pour" -- "Should wine be a family affair?" In a related column, he debates the merits of introducing his two sons, 16 and 17, to wine as a complement to a meal, while trying to impress upon them the potential dangers of alcohol. He muses:

It would be easy to preach abstinence to children until they’re 21, but is it naive and even irresponsible to think that teenagers won’t experiment? Might forbidding even a taste of wine with a meal actually encourage secrecy and recklessness?

And:

In the best of all possible worlds, I suppose, young adults would not touch alcohol until they turn 25 and then would instantly understand the pleasures of moderate consumption. It seems to me as silly to imagine that as it is to expect the same at 21.

Does introducing teenagers to alcohol in moderation before age 21 encourage them to be more responsible drinkers? Asimov cites a 1983 study by Dr. George E. Vaillant, a psychiatry professor at Harvard, which compared 136 men who were alcoholics with men who were not.

The study found that men who grew up in families where alcohol was forbidden at the table, but who drank alcohol away from home, apart from food, were seven times more likely to become alcoholics than those whose households allowed wine with meals but where drunkenness was not tolerated.

Believe it? I'm not sure, and I think like with most things, it depends on the person and the situation. But if teaching a teenager how to enjoy wine with food can encourage less black-out nights, it's definitely worth a second thought.

Comments:

Comment from: Proof [Visitor]
I am not too familiar with binge drinking, but the area in Asia where my mother is from, if you don't drink with the men, you are not considered a heterosexual. So there is that pressure to drink a lot, everyday, otherwise you'll get ridiculed.


Permalink 03/26/08 @ 03:13
Comment from: anon [Visitor]

In Europe (excluding the UK) the kids drink wine with their meals. When going to party and experiencing the nightlife there, I noticed that nobody drank to get plastered unlike in the US.


End result is that after several years of living there, I did not see a single fight at a club or bar break out from drunken stupidity. A sight I used to see regularly when I lived stateside.



Permalink 03/26/08 @ 05:14
Comment from: franksabunch [Visitor] · http://www.xanga.com/franksabunch
Experimentation (or the temptations of it) are a normal part of growing up. Binge drinking from peer pressure and just being lame frat boys will not stop if we start having our children drink alcohol at home at an early age. That's not going to change college culture. Alcoholism, which is not exactly the same as binge drinking (square and parallelogram) is another beast in and of itself.

I wouldn't take too much from that study. The numbers are too small to be statistically significant and I don't know if the data was collected retrospectively. In addition, there are many other variables (race/ethnicity, religion, geography, socioeconomic status, whether they like the NY Giants or the 49ers) that have to be adjusted to see if his hypothesis is really significant.
Permalink 03/26/08 @ 06:41
Comment from: rage777 [Visitor]
It all depends on the individual and how their parents raise them. I drank a little before my 21st birthday, on my 21st birthday I drank a couple of shots because my friends bought it for me. I haven't had a drop of alcohol since, and that is going on over 10 years. My dad could be considered an alcoholic, and everybody else in my family doesn't really drink. I saw how bad my dad would get and I told myself I would never get that drunk or have my kid steer the car home like I was doing.
It's the same way with cigarettes. My whole family has smoked at one point, but I have never touched the stuff. It all boils down to the individual. If you have no will power to not drink, smoke, or do drugs, then you might have a problem later on in life. I don't believe in peer pressure or stress, those are terms used by people with no control over themselves.
Permalink 03/26/08 @ 07:55
Comment from: mcb [Visitor]
used to live in japan and had a beer vending machine right outside my apartment. thought it was great but then asked my students about underage drinking and got mixed signals. some said it was a bad while others trusted that kids would know better than to buy beer. something about kids always having to wear school uniforms and being easily recognizable to the community.
personnally, i think like most things proper trainning can help with responsible usage. education and getting rid of myths and misinformation is key

parents should also be treaching their kids to respect the law of the land. we may think some laws are bad but we should try to follow them.
Permalink 03/26/08 @ 08:11
Comment from: Andrew [Visitor] · http://human.imolta.com/
I'm inclined to believe, sans facts, that sanctioned experimentation promotes responsible action in the future.
Permalink 03/26/08 @ 09:05
Comment from: Bar Scener [Visitor]
Anon needs to get out more.

During my travels and times in Europe, I have witnessed many fights in bars and other nightlife spots. And none of them involved Americans. The bulk of the fights I saw were in the UK involving the Brits and Irish but I have also seen lots of Germans as well. Stop being so Eurocentric.
Permalink 03/26/08 @ 14:48
Comment from: Cookies for Breakfast! [Visitor]
7th!
Permalink 03/26/08 @ 15:06
Comment from: Proof [Visitor]
I think I need to change my underwear. I have been wearing the same pair for the last 10 days while playing World of Warcraft and myspace stalking people.
Permalink 03/26/08 @ 15:10
Comment from: Proof [Visitor]
Comment from: Proof [Visitor]
I think I need to change my underwear. I have been wearing the same pair for the last 10 days while playing World of Warcraft and myspace stalking people.
Permalink 03/26/08 @ 15:10


What a way to destroy your credibility. Message boards store IP addresses.
Permalink 03/26/08 @ 15:22
Comment from: richard [Visitor]
Kim, you are hitting on a problem that is one of the most vexing for parents' sending their offspring off to college. When I was in high school, my parents allowed me to drink beer and wine with them in moderation. But shortly after arriving at college as a 17-year-old, I was immediately "subjected to", or had the pleasure of participating in, "fraternity rush" where there was strong pressure to have a hard liquor drink at each of 12 frat houses. Needless to say, after 12 gin and tonics or shots of whiskey, by midnight, almost all of us were totally barfing drunk. Some of my college mates later died of diseases related to their drinking. Most became moderate drinkers. Some, I guess, didn't drink at all.

There are tremendous problems related to binge drinking (drunk driving, date rape, accidents, to name a few), but sending youngsters completely unfamiliar with alcohol off to school seems very unwise, because, let's face it, unless it's BYU, they are going to drink.

I favor parents' introducing kids to very moderate, controlled drinking while they are juniors or seniors in high school, with strong accompanying warnings on the dangers of excess consumption. This is not a perfect answer, but after long consideration, it's the best that I can do.
Permalink 03/26/08 @ 18:18
Comment from: anon [Visitor]

Bar Scener - Perhaps you need more reading comprehension. I did exclude the UK in my comment. They got crazy soccer hooligans there and all around British ruffians looking to rumble.


Other than the UK, Ireland, and the fights at Oktoberfest in Munich...I didn't see any other drunken brawls in other parts of Europe when I lived there. Sure there were fights in general, out in the street, over soccer matches, etc but rarely out of drunken stupidity in a bar or club.


This is in comparison to the bar/club fights I would see regularly in NYC, California, and Hawaii where it seems everyone thinks they are in the UFC.


Permalink 03/26/08 @ 18:37
Comment from: Pablo Wegesend [Visitor] · http://pablowegesend.blogspot.com
I'm probably the most abstinent person on the face of the Earth when it comes to alcohol. I never tasted it once.

I got all the exposure to alcohol I needed from growing up in public housing, and witnessing and hearing drunken relatives and drunken neighbors!

I don't worry about "feeling left out" because I don't want to fit in with a bunch of drunken fools! Not worth it!

What next, do we have parents allowing their kids to experiment with crystal meth? Heroin? Cocaine?


Permalink 03/26/08 @ 18:39
Comment from: BarScener [Visitor]
Anon - nice rip off of a different comment poster in a previous post with the "reading comprehension" - with all your worldliness, surely you could come up with your own material.

Australia - many bar fights
New Zealand - many bar fights
Japan - Many bar fights - although many were a result of the Uzbekis, Russians and Nigerians who live there.

Just a few more examples of this little bar activity is not unique or even close to it, in the US.
Permalink 03/27/08 @ 03:20
Comment from: Proof [Visitor]
But too bad I don't have access to IP addresses because I'm a bumbling fool.
Permalink 03/27/08 @ 03:24
Comment from: anon [Visitor]


BarScener - whatever...you win.


I only mentioned kids drinking wine with their meals in Europe which lead to moderate alcohol consumption later in their lives.


It's amusing watching folks like you and Robin get so worked up over other people's blog comments. I can imagine you getting frustrated as your read this.

=)


Permalink 03/27/08 @ 03:45
Comment from: Shaka Kong [Visitor]
anon, let's face it. We're individuals that can explain subject material in 5 to 7 sentences. If people don't understand what we're saying, then they have to come to the conclusion that they're the byproducts of an inferior education. Why should we have to elaborate ourselves?
Permalink 03/27/08 @ 07:48
Comment from: anon [Visitor]


Shaka Kong - I concur. Unfortunately the world isn't perfect and we have to deal with petulant ignoramuses from time to time.


Permalink 03/27/08 @ 17:41
Comment from: j [Visitor]
There's always the argument that gets brought up that if you can go to war and die for your country at 18, you should be able to drink legally at that age too...
Permalink 03/28/08 @ 13:25

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